Investment Trusts Investing

That is the problem with iliquid assets (meaning not publicly traded and without high trading volume, e.g. Private Equity in case of Klarna, or Direct Real Estate or Direct Infrastructure, etc) and that some IT don’t value their portfolio on a regular daily basis, some only update monthly or even quarterly.

And those spaced valuation potentially originate big surprises (bigger time intervals could mean bigger surprises), for the good and the bad.

Those are the reasons, I don’t invest Private Equity/Venture Capital focused IT, despite their higher potential returns.

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Normally my Sunday listen.
From the bloke who writes the investment trust handbook.

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That’s a good listen. I’ve been working my way through the back catalogue.

This weekly QuotedData show is decent as well.

Between the two, they seem to have investment trust news pretty much covered.

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The AIC has published its latest list of ā€˜dividend heroes’ – trusts that have increased dividends for at least 20 years in a row.

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It looks like we’ll be seeing the first investment trust IPO for 18 months soon:

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Has anyone been shopping in the discounted IT section lately - I’m tempted with the energy infrastructure sector!

https://www.theaic.co.uk/aic/find-compare-investment-companies?sec=REI&sortid=DiscFairCum&desc=false

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I’ve been wanted to add a trust from this sector for ages but keep having other ideas and deploying the capital elsewhere.

GRID and GSF, the energy storage trusts, are looking more attractive nowadays, the former was on a hefty premium not too long ago.

I’ve always liked the look of JLEN as a one-stop shop that covers solar, wind, waste, hydro etc.

One of these days, I’ll open a position in at least one of the trusts in this sector. That reminds me to set some discount alerts on the AIC website!

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Did not even realise that was a thing!

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Btw, it’s just me, or It seems that the past FOMO on BG ITs got cold, as their ITs went south in the last 2 years?

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Very much so. I’m just glad I realised the extent of the risk I was taking on by holding too many BG trusts before they went south.

I still have sizeable holdings in a few but I’m much more alert to the importance of mixing up different managers and investing styles now.

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This was an interesting read, makes you wonder whether active management is due a better decade or are the days of outperformance long gone? :thinking:

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Been a quiet thread, but given the widening of discounts, has there been a more favourable time to invest in ITs?

For example - FCIT fairs well against VWRL/VWRP, and you can get in now with an 11% discount to NAV:

ATST potentially another competitor. All being the same, you could potentially buy either and sell out when the discount narrows and switch back to the popular ETF?

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You’re a mind reader. I’ve done exactly that: sell some passive trackers to buy trusts.

It’s worth noting that the performance of FCIT has been comparatively poor over 1 and 5 years, which probably explains the especially wide discount.

It’s got a better record over the long run but it’s too similar to the index for me.

I’ve wanted to like ATST but it’s investing style isn’t the clearest because different management groups pick 5-15% of the portfolio.

Both are solid core global equity trusts though.

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It has yes, but its performance / portfolio is much similar to popular all world trackers. As such (historically anyway), could have sold all world ETFs for FCIT when FCIT was at a say 8-10% discount to NAV, and then do the reverse when the discount narrowed to get an extra 15-20% return in the last 10 years.

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It seems like a bit of a no-brainer to take advantage of the discount volatility.

I’m tempted to sell some of my holdings in JGGI or JAM, which are at a premium/near par, to move money into FCIT. Both have done exceptionally well though so I’m loathe to part with them.

MWY, on the other hand, has done relatively poorly and could be a candidate for the chop, particularly with the change in manager.

As good as a short-term play as it may be, I prefer the others long term so I’ll likely stick to them.

FCIT almost feels too balanced. I like trusts to have a clearer investing style/mandate, eg JGGI = growth and income, AGT = value, SMT = growth, JAM = trying to beat S&P, and so on.

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This was an interesting read:

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@topher interesting yes, but a load of rubbish imo.

Yes simplify, but they are CEFs, their reporting should not be so different to open ended funds.

Interesting also that 69% of trusts outperformed their open ended equivalents.

I do agree - merge the KID and factsheets.

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Yeah, it’s a hyperbolic headline and the argument seems a stretch.

Merging KIDs and factsheets seems sensible. The more simplicity and transparency the better.

As an investor, I want to know the total cost of ownership but the fund management industry does its best to obfuscate parts of that equation.

It’ll be interesting to see how the regulatory regime develops. On the plus side, it seems like there’s a good chance we’ll get access to VOO etc, perhaps we’ll get US closed-ended funds too.

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One benefit of trusts, which I think is overlooked, including by myself, is their boards. Although they’re not all as independent as they should be, the best ones fight shareholders’ corner on things like fees. This alignment is something you don’t really get with funds and ETFs.

Mid Wynd’s a good example. The long-standing managers are retiring/stepping down. I wasn’t especially confident in the new manager proposed by Artemis. It turns out neither was the board, so it has appointed a new management group entirely.

In future, I’m going to pay much more attention to the board as well as the managers. It can make a world of difference having someone like Russell Napier as chairman.

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Analysis just published by Trustnet identifies a number of cases where investors in a manager’s open-ended fund might now be well-advised to move their money into its equivalent investment company. Doing so isn’t changing your investment strategy – you’ll be getting access to a pretty similar portfolio of assets – but it could provide a boost to your returns.

The bet you’re considering making here is that discounts will narrow. That isn’t guaranteed – and timeframes are hard to predict – but it’s worth reflecting on the fact that discounts are currently unusually large compared to what has been typical over the past 10 to 15 years.

Basically sums up my view for ITs. As a long term investor I flip between ITs and OEICs, and now seems a really good time to buy ITs.