Investment Trusts Investing

There’s a relatively well hidden option for alerts under ā€˜research tools’ on the AIC’s website @EquityInvestor. I didn’t know it was there for years.

As I recall, you have to set up an account and it’s pretty clunky. Scraping data into Google Sheets may be a better option.

Yes, I’ve been following the Saba saga on and off @Dougal1984 – it seems to have been building towards this for a fair while.

I’ve not watched that closely because, aside from HRI which I exited a few years ago, I haven’t held any of the trusts in question.

I’m surprised we haven’t seen more of this type of thing actually, with average discounts hitting 2008 crisis levels in recent years.

It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Given the extraordinarily poor performance of KPC, as an example, I’d imagine some shareholders may be amenable to siding with Saba.

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Further to the link Dougal1984 shared above, does anyone know if it will be possible to vote on trading212 on the Baillie Gifford and other trusts?

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At this point of time I don’t believe it is. If 212 were able to provide a letter of representation then we could vote in person, I can’t see it being a difficult thing to implement in the app as a downloadable template but right now they won’t support that.

One vote down, 6 to go…

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I may be wrong but I’d imagine this may have been the one Saba was least likely to win. HRI has a good long-term record and management’s well thought of.

I did read a headline somewhere that BlackRock had done a deal with Saba to get it to back off on its trusts.

Here is an interview with the chairwoman of Keystone Positive Change IT in which she explains the board’s view on Saba’s proposal, in case anyone is interested:

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Saba Capital soap opera: you grabbed some popcorn? :smiley:

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Interesting listen, thanks. I find it hard to have much sympathy with KPC’s management. I dodged a bullet with that trust. Thankfully, I’m never bought into the whole ā€˜positive change’ strategy, which sounds so wishy-washy.

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Hopefully T212 add Rockwood Strategic soon.

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I requested it not long ago but they came back and said that they were unable to add it.

https://www.theaic.co.uk/companydata/rockwood-strategic

@Joey_Fantana This cracking UK Investment Trust is available on a segment 212 have access to, could you maybe work your magic with the daily requests and note this is missing please?

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Liquidity on RKW’s not great from memory, might have improved now. I’m pretty sure it’s managed by Harwood Capital which also runs Odyssean, Onyx and North Atlantic Smaller Companies. Christopher Mills has a good reputation in terms of UK small caps.

Btw, Saba is 6-0 down now :laughing:

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It’s a small ~100m trust with a recommended investment timeline of 3-5 years and 6m traded monthly.

6x12x3 =216m so 2x plus turnover on the minimum holding timeline.

6x12x5=360m so 3.6x plus turnover on a 5 year span.

Liquidity is plenty fine based on the type of investment imo. :upside_down_face:

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Better than I thought. But it’s still probably the sort of trust that could sting you for a 1%-plus bid-ask spread if you’re not careful.

It’s got a good record though, tops the UK small caps table over five and 10 years.

Sorry fella - tried this morning but Irina says no.

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Anyone received their payout after KPC got liquidated? Should have been a 230.0216 p per share.

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An interesting take on BSRT if anyone holds.

TLDR - share price/nav up 100% in 10 years, currently at a 42% discount, regularly trades at discount, its top holding(33% trust) has a takeover bid. If successful hope for a capital distribution / share buyback to reduce discount to nav.

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@topher @EquityInvestor @RLX

The AIC finally pulling their finger out to petition all platforms to allow investors to vote on trusts.

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I’ve never been fussed about voting. I wish I could turn the ā€˜vote on the future of X’ emails off but they seem to be included within required notifications.

I’m sure I’d feel very differently if I held a big enough stake in a company to give me a meaningful say.

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This is quite interesting!
Thanks for sharing.

I have thought for a while that there have got to be interesting Investment Trusts at large discounts, but from my basic searches I haven’t found anything. I’ll look into this one a bit more.