Is there a possibility of a T212 pension platform (SIPP)

That would be amazing! I hope it will have some core/basic features such as account transfer and take direct payment from employers (salary sacrifice).

Same here, I have mine with Nutmeg, wanted to transfer to vanguard but I don’t want to invest only in ETFs, I want to invest in some specifics stocks too. With that in mind I’m waiting until the summer and hope they will release a SIPP so I can transfer everything from Nutmeg to Trading 212.

When I say trade, I mean buy shares and ETFs on market dips to add to the positions, as I am so NOT in the market right now. I rarely short stocks or sell them when I think it has topped out in the SIPP. The cash is in moneymarket funds in the SIPP doing around 5.3% currently

In my SIPP I only invest in ETFs and investment trusts and it’s the one account where I prefer to not do individual stocks.

The thing that turns me away from using invest engine is that they only trade once a day.

I get that they do it to keep costs down.

But ultimately I want to buy at a certain price and don’t enjoy the russian roulette that this system can bring.

There are benefits to this, and long term it should average out.

The main benefit, if they do end of day is that the spread should be tighter.

With summer fast approaching, does the team have an estimated release month for this account type?
Also, will employer contributions be supported?

One big thing people often overlook about SIPPs is how easy/hard and costly it is to access your SIPP when it is ā€œtimeā€

Most young SIPP products in the market has no plan, system or details about options to withdraw your SIPP and unfortunately this includes invest engine. (link to their help page)

InvestEngine SIPPs are designed for accumulation only at this time, meaning drawdowns cannot be actioned from investors’ dashboards. However, we can facilitate this upon request.

There are multiple different ā€œmethodsā€ to access your SIPP and all of them have different tax implications and costs attached to it. Another ā€œheadacheā€ is SIPP managers have to tax you on the spot while releasing funds, and if they are not accounting for your tax coding, they’ll have to apply an emergency tax code. An emergency tax code means taxman will assume you’ll get that same income in that given month, every month for the rest of the financial year. Which usually results in paying a lot more tax than you are supposed to.
You can and should claim back on next years self assessment, but like I said it’s a headache you don’t want to deal with when you are 75 :sweat_smile:

On other established providers like II for example (btw despite using them, I’m not advocating or recommending them at all, please do your own research) you can do most of these things online and have funds in your bank account taxed correctly in minutes, with no extra cost. All options are available online whether it be crystallising (full or partially), lump sums, mini lump sums or drawdowns (link to their help page)

edit: TLDR You should consider various other aspects of your retirement, ā€œfree transactionsā€ does not necessarily make a product good or bad and it’s a drop in the bucket, and quality of life is as important especially if I’m in my (g)olden years :slight_smile:

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SIPP Managers will be given your Tax Code to apply for your second payment but, as you say, without a Tax Code they have to apply an emergency tax code for the first payment.
Do remember that you can apply to HMRC for a tax refund during the same tax year, so you do not have to wait until you do your tax return and it has been assessed before you get the tax back.

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But can’t we transfer the SIPP at that time and get it to a platform that’s better for drawdown? If you have decades in your accumulation stage it doesn’t make sense to choose a platform based on your ability to withdraw at retirement. Plus if it’s decades away you don’t know how things may change. Heck, look at how much Trading 212 has changed in less than a decade. As demand increases (as users get older), I’m sure they will spend more effort developing the systems. But for now 99% would be in accumulation.

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Sorry this is correct yes, but it still is albeit small a headache :slight_smile:

This is also correct. Have you transferred a pension before? :slight_smile: I do this transfer dance every 12-18 months, and there are companies ranging from ā€œalmost fraudulentā€ to ā€œclick here and doneā€. I’m gonna name names here: my most recent transfer ā€œAviva My Moneyā€ was as easy as filling an online form (for origo) on my current provider and the funds were transferred in a mere 13 days from start to finish.

The one before Aviva was ā€œcapita pensionsā€ which took several months and printing ā€œwet signingā€ forms scanning them back and sending, receiving several different forms in different days, with deadlines like ā€œif you don’t post this in 7 days, we will cancel your transferā€ (and you have to start from beginning) The process is so intentionally complicated and convoluted there is 0 chance any old(ish) person can finish this transfer. (even mine went through complaints and ombudsman) and they will be stuck with their almost criminal management fees.

Also keep in mind these are ā€œminority transfersā€ if you are transferring ā€œmajorityā€ of your pension, there are additional legal safeguards to walk through.

But then again both of you guys are 100% correct, all I am saying is there is more to consider than a simple transaction fee and yes naturally everyone is in their different stages of investment/retirement curve.

And again may be I am stressing this more than necessary but quality of life is important.

My response was mostly about ā€œinvest engineā€ since T212 does not have a sipp offering yet. But I can argue (from my personal point of view) not many things changed in a meaningful positive way, the UI is also considerably worse even compared to 2018 and in fact I have not used T212 for my ISA in 2022/23 (for mostly the execution discrepancies on both trade and FX values made me dubious about how ā€œfreeā€ this is.)

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1/3 of our way through summer and no news yet but hopefully we hear something soon.

Saying that, T212 claimed SIPPs would go live in 2020.

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We’ll let you know once we can confirm an approximate release date :raised_hands: Otherwise, nothing has changed - SIPPs are coming this year.

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Hmm what happened in 2019/2020 that could have possibly derailed it. Hmm
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What happened to SIPPs coming this summer?

I’m optimistic summer has a while to go yet :sweat_smile:

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We’re getting closer and closer to introducing SIPPs :hourglass:

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Considering there are people thinking about how to manage their pension pot(s), and considering those are the same who are looking to truat Trading212 with their own money, it would be appreciated if you could at least say in which quarter it is supposed to happen. Feel free to add all the caveats you need though.
Thanks

With the initial launch of the SIPP accounts, we’ll support outgoing cash transfers. We’ll do our best to enable incoming transfers, too, with the next updates.

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Hi Momchil / anyone else,

Thanks for the reply. Sorry - I don’t quite understand!

Does this mean we will be able to transfer cash into the SIPP but we won’t initially be able to transfer funds/stocks?

What does outgoing cash transfers mean?

i.e I’m looking to move from Scottish Widows so I will have to convert to cash before transferring anyways.

What is the potential launch date for allowing Transfer-in’s (In specie and/or cash)?

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