Sick and tired of cfd buy qty restrictions

This is correct. There are no hidden fees on losses.

This however is not correct.

As Richard mentioned, T212 can potentially offset a long customer and a short customer for hedging and balance. Where this is not possible, they must hedge themselves and they donā€™t have infinite money to do so. Hence forcing some customers to close their CFD positions and accounts. They canā€™t have these perma-winners eating up the financial float they need to service other customers; customers hopefully leading to a more balanced hedge and freeing of funds. And ultimately more customers = more money.

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closing the positions makes no mention of the clients profit or loss, this is an assumption on your behalf. hedging also isnā€™t 1 client to 1 client. itā€™s volume against volume. 1 long may only be Ā£2k but 10 shorts together may be Ā£1.8-2.2k. Interest paid by 1 client on their long position will mostly go towards another client as earnings from their short.

but the way you keep talking about T212 makes it seem as if they are 10x more profitable than reality and will kick you out if you are a successful trader. their business model relies on transaction rates. the more transactions made, the more they earn thanks to the spread. long positions held indefinitely are not trading and donā€™t make them much of any money regardless of which direction the position goes.

not only are markets volatile which make it hard to manage risk, you have positions that wonā€™t close that prevent T212 from doing so effectively. this link speaks of forex in particular, but is a good answer that itā€™s ā€œnot personalā€ itā€™s the instrument as a whole and if you are a valid trader, the broker will keep you on boardā€¦

https://www.quora.com/If-you-make-consistent-substantial-wins-in-Forex-does-the-broker-throw-you-out

Itā€™s to do with available funds on T212s side. Not an assumption, just basic maths! They donā€™t have infinite money so need to get it from somewhere! Part of that solution is closing CFD accounts.

This is exactly my point. But they canā€™t support additional transactions if they donā€™t have the funds to cover leverage, cover risk etc. Again, closing CFD accounts is part of that solution. Also restricting new positions etc.

Again, exactly what Iā€™m saying. Itā€™s very difficult for them to manage risk, especially with these perma-winners long term holding. Again - part of the solution is to close these accounts, free up finances, and take on more customers/transactions.

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Whether a client wins or loses isnā€™t the same as being long or short.

Winning or losing doesnā€™t matter to t212 in terms of making money - the only thing that matters is being able to hedge against the position (or offset shorts vs longs internally). If they canā€™t cover the exposure then they canā€™t allow CFDs (as youā€™ve essentially said).

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True

The problem as you say is being able to cover the exposure indeed. At the moment the market is seriously bullish, everyone is going long, and making bank in the process. This just isnā€™t sustainable for a broker.

Anyway I feel at this point weā€™re all arguing the same thing!

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Hi @Team212 May I ask whatā€™s your desk dealing policy please? Tried to search for it but I couldnt find it on your COI policy. Thank you.