Is there a possibility of a T212 pension platform (SIPP)

ā€˜Dividends paid in a foreign currency are automatically converted into your primary currency at the live interbank FX rate. No FX fee is applied to dividend currency conversions.’

This is the part it doesn’t make sense to me. If dividends are paid in $ for example, their are converted into Ā£(at the bank FX rate), then if you want to buy some more $ stocks, you pay FX fee to T212 to convert Ā£ into $ again. Is there any reason why $ dividends cannot remain in $(as this will be a multi currencies account) and use the $ dividends to buy $ stocks?

Am I missing something here?

212 have to make money somewhere from the product :money_bag:

They are making money from spreads, a bit higher prices when you buy and lower when you sell, CFDs and other things.

I can’t believe there are still idiots out there that believe this happens in the GIA, ISA or SIPP.

This is illegal activity in the U.K. and EU. If you have evidence of this, please report it.

Could the waitlist not show our position in the queue? Then we could vaguely work out when it’s going to be available to us? Because right now there’s no idea if we’re talking days, weeks, months…

I totally understand not wanting to overwhelm workload but equally adding clarity for customers should be important too.

First of all I did not insult you. If you feel you are a lot smarter and not an ā€˜idiot’ than all the users here, please keep that for yourself.

Second: right now VWRL buy quote on HL is £135.74 and on T212 is £135.77

Third: if you go for very low liquid small caps, you get screwed hard at buy/sell spread.

T212 is not a Market Maker so they are not giving you the best price you can get. HL for example offers share price improvment

Is there anyway of finding out position on waiting list? As I asked trading212 chatbot about this back in 9th April, and still am unclear if/when access may be granted? Thanks

the wait is over …
entered into waitlist with in 6 hrs of opening waitlist, today around 9 AM BST got notification to open account

Bid/Ask spreads are always changing.. the difference that you see on HL and T212 is not the same thing.

T212 doesn’t show the bid or the ask, I believe it either shows the last price or the Ask, on HL it could be the other way around.

Only thing that matters is execution price, and you can rest assured that only CFDs have an inflated spread by design, other products can’t be artificially adjusted.

For small cap illiquid stocks, also there the broker is not inflating the spread, it’s what’s out there.

If your theory was right, that one broker is better in terms of spreads than the other, that’s an arbitrage situation and if you know markets, it will be very quickly exploited and there will be money made until mean reversion.

I see this. But as T212 doesn’t show you the price you are paying, you don’t really know what you pay until you actually buy it. Unless you do not buy with a limit price, you can get a better or worse price than you planned. Brokers like HL, AJ Bell shows you exactly what are you paying when you press the buy button.

From here, the ā€˜myth’ spreads are higher on T212. When you look on the quote it shows you one price, once you press the buy button is a different one(again, unless if you don’t use limit buy)

Yeah that’s because 212 backtracked and show last traded rather than the bid/ask spread. That is worse and not the best indicator for the current market spread.

Agree with the small caps, DMA is not great for the user and paying a £10.95 fee or whatever it is on HL or another more established broker can often get you a better deal.

That said, they don’t inflate the spread like you suggested, that is illegal.

I went on the waitlist on 23/03 and received my Welcome email on 14/05 and could then put money into the SIPP and start investing.

All in all around 7.5 weeks.

Hi, Jamie

I went on the waitlist on 23/03 and received my Welcome email on 14/05 and could then put money into the SIPP and start investing.

All in all around 7.5 weeks.

Thank you for clarifying. I went on Waiting list around 10 days later from your waitlist date. Hope i would get my waiting list cleared next week.

In LightYear GIA and Business accounts, Dividends paid in non-GBP currency are credited to that $ or € accounts and not converted to GBP.

I have been in the waiting list since more than a month ago. I do not check my email attached to my T212 account regularly. If you are invited to register could you see that directly on the apps or they will send an email.

Also I wonder with T212 SIIP could you also do stock trading like the one in ISA ? or only for fund, ETF ??

I’m currently with Vanguard (who run their SIPP fully in-house) and I’m considering transferring to your SIPP. I understand the pension wrapper is operated by Platform One Limited on a white-label basis (after they acquired the book from Gaudi Regulated Services, which went into administration in 2023).

Are there any additional risks with this setup (e.g. counterparty, operational, or custody) compared to fully in-house providers like Vanguard? How does FSCS protection work across Trading 212 and Platform One? Also, with the low/zero fees advertised, how do both companies generate revenue in this arrangement?

You only waited a few hours :roll_eyes: I’ve been waiting well over a month.

Are we talking weeks or months? I’ve been on the waiting list for about 6 weeks.

Still on the waiting list, lost track of how long. I opened a interactive investor sipp while I wait and may transfer it across, if I ever get off the waiting list.