Thereās various approaches T212 could take to remedy this error. Itās up to them to detail to you. Iād suspect you can keep the profits (if any) ⦠but the ISA āsubscriptionā value should be amended so not to include the purchase(s) of these invalid stocks. But, like I said, Iād say itās for T212 to describe⦠so you have clarity rather than my assumptions
Thanks @Finki ā apologies for speculating on what you were saying (I should probably just have asked). Iām hoping for some clarity on the question of whether the listed securities are the only ones that have to be sold.
SEA is not even in the list
Any manual closure means positions in red will be closed. I am not getting any answers from any one from T212 on chat or email on the losses. Phone lines are going unanswered
JMIA is not even a chinese stock so I fail to understand how does it make this list of barred chinese stocks
I can probably help with this bit.
I believe the issue is not that the stocks in question are Chinese. Itās that they are not listed on an exchange recognised by HMRC (whether they are from China, Africa, Swaziland, wherever).
I had previously thought that SEA did not trade on an exchange recognised by HMRC and would therefore have to be sold. It seems I was mistaken in this, but Iād like confirmation.
absolutely⦠seems ridiculous to give 24 hours notice.
i donāt understand why you cannot transfer the holding from an ISA to the standard invest account.
how do you find with or without an API what the underlying security for a listing is? I spent ages to figure out what NYSE:SEās underlying asset is. Can you point us to your secret source? ![]()
I would āassumeā they are the only stocks with a live shareholding greater than zero held within an ISA that shouldnāt beā¦but canāt guantee⦠Iām running some maths over the T212 universe and I can see some that I donāt think should be ISAācompliant that are not on that list. But that, of course, doesnāt mean any client has a holding of those stocks within an ISA⦠but T212 ācatergorisationā of the stock looks wrong and could allow clients in to invest into an ISA.
So, to directly answer your question : No, I think there are more stocks⦠but that might not affect you⦠depends what you hold⦠Iāll blast out a list of questionable stocks when I have them⦠but the deep-dive API calls take a while to thoroughly scan all parameters and return a result⦠on over 3000+ T212 stocks!!!
Wish me luckā¦
Thanks @Finki. Yeah I looked on the 212 homepage and expected more.
oops @David may be you should close these aforementioned stocks for trading in ISA? Just noticed my āpieā bought TSM today, may be 2 hours agoā¦
Not impressed with the time frame to act but suspect this has been forced on 212 by HMRC to rectify the error asap as it will have tax implications for us users.
From my view point I have sold from ISA, transferred funds via the app to normal acc and re purchased.
Exactly the problem with SEA. Most other ADRs you can eventually compute their underlying/parent and map that back to an exchange and overlay the other ISA eligibility criteria⦠with SEA you canāt⦠It doesnāt appear t have a parent?? How?? Miraculous conception? Yet, as you say, youāve looked⦠so have I⦠am I am not 100% either ⦠so, by that logic and on a risk-weighted basis I would have to say SEA is a ānoā from an ISA point of view. Itās just too risky until other data comes to lightā¦
oh I have no doubts its a no for SEA. There is no underlying asset. JP Morgan Singapore is the underwriter and owner of said proportion of the company and they are selling the ADRs in NYSE.
My question was more for the āothersā above, that you implied somehow you managed to automate? I was curious about how that is possible.
Vast amounts of data, years of messing about, a nerdy mindset, a little magic, a whisk and a lot of wine. Stir. Wait. ![]()
First hack of a small portion of the T212 ISA universe via the magic FinKi-ISA-Eligibility-Checker-Thingy-Machine says T212 might want to look at the ISA Eligibility of the following (on top of the 17 that I agree with)
PTNR - US70211M1099
VNET - US90138A1034
First results says PTNRās parent is listed in Israelā¦so not recognised and VNET is one of those magic ADRs not actually spun out of a parent an therefore can not be tracked back to a listed underlying. So has to be a ānoā. There could legitimately not holdings in these stocks - so not on that list of 17⦠but they need to flick the category from āNASDAQā to āNON-ISA NASDAQā like the other ineligible holdings.
Iāve received no such notice via the app or the web app and I have thousands of pounds invested in NIO. This is absolutely outrageous.
@Snakehips, do you have the NIO shares within an ISA?
@EquityInvestor Mine are all in the ISA account, yep.
Why are there no statements (unless Iāve missed them) from T212 on this!? There is literally 2 hours left for us to do anything with this if in our ISA accounts.
Do we face losing all of our gains? Is it closed at the opening price tomorrow for us? Do we have to take action our end if we close the positions ourselves before then?