Anyone else livid about what's going on?

Business: I beat earnings by 200 percent. Yaaay?

Investor: but would you have beaten it if it wasnā€™t for covid? Iā€™m going to sell.

Business: wait! isnā€™t that true for all businesses right now? Covid is everywhere!

Investor:ā€¦Iā€™m going to sell your shares, covid crutch surge.

Business: but what about Pinterest and Snapchat, that was also a surge cos of covidā€¦ you bought loads of those!

Investor: ā€¦nah ā€¦ Iā€™m going to sell your stocks

Business: t**t

Investor: ā€¦Iā€™m going to sell your stock

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This is an interesting one. You hear so much about things being priced in, but it is clear neither the stimulus being rejected, the corona second wave, or the election was priced in.

I would say, much of optimism was priced in, example, AMZN , crushed estimates, drops in AH.

TSLA also by some claimed they crushed expectations, no movement.

That is the sole criticism on this cloud/wfh/remote stocks, the valuation went sky high, that even monster beat doesnā€™t necessarily move it, as it is expected.

So imagine what happens on first Q where they fail to crush, or maybe slip and miss? Bloodbath is what comes to my mind.

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Price of silver down 5% this week to the USD. Gold down 2%. In combination with lockdown fears. Mining stocks are looking good to me. First Majestic Silver (AG) and Pan American Silver (PAAS) are my picks.

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Really a russian roulette game with earnings right now. Do you buy peloton now for its earnings next week? itā€™s gonna beat estimates no doubt, but investors will put it against a covid surge and it will probably dropā€¦or will it?

God knows
but here is the thing, Covid is here to stay for the foreseeable futureā€¦ atleast another quarter. so most likely the earnings will be beat next quarter tooā€¦ so whats with the dumping?
head spinner!

I just logged on to my bank, I got a popup message warning about fake HMRC phone calls, I know itā€™s off topic but just a heads up.
Iā€™m in the UK by the way.

HMRC

Col.

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By the look of the reaction to the stocks exceeding earnings expectation, a small margin gain on the expected isnā€™t good enough.

It needs to crush it.

Be interesting to see how Google opens as pre market looks good. Probably time for me to take some profits in it if it jumps up 8% or so.

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Think Iā€™ll uninstall 212 now
Check it in 2025 or something.

What a bloodbath

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I donā€™t know man. Itā€™s something else.

Liveperson, beat earnings by 287 percent, as did overstock. Both tanked . Overstock died 15 percent, liveperson 8 so far.

They are looking at sustainability but it just doesnā€™t make sense because any earnings in this year would be covid influenced. So why would the likes of Pinterest and snapsh*t be any different? Cos they beat earning by and additional 30 percent? So you have to be in the 300s for investors to be happy? :person_facepalming:

But blackline beat it by 120, in the cyberspace arena. Goes up 6%
Lol

Personally, I think itā€™s the greed of big time investors, to dump stocks cause a panic and a snowball effect only to buy it all over again.

The problem with earnings is the climate we have ,currently they have nothing historically to compare it toā€¦
how can I the company give you a forecast of what Iā€™m going to look like in a monthā€™s time and world leaders canā€™t tell you and the reason most companies are beating estimates is because the estimated outcomes that have been made are so low because of the crisis weā€™re having companies are beating it by far.

At the moment earnings ainā€™t worth anything so the only way to know what a company is going to do is to read graphs I guess

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I think this is really stupid.
So Boris announces lockdown
ocado stock shoots up. Obviously as people stay indoors, grocery delivery might go up etc
fine

What happens when itā€™s earning time for ocado.

Are the stocks gonna drop because ā€˜hey your earnings are covid related and you wouldnā€™t have beaten eps by 200 percent of it wasnā€™t for covidā€™?

:joy:

Just canā€™t win lol

Ocado raised guidance today and bought 2 other robot companies. so it wasnā€™t just the lockdown announcement that made it rise.

@trader787ā€¦yes but itā€™s in preparation for the lockdown.
Shoppers are ā€˜flockingā€™ online.

I think in not so many words, itā€™s the same as I mentioned isnā€™t it? Thier EPs and earnings will most likely rise as a result of the lockdown. No?

Do I have something wrong here?

FT headline

" Ocado lifts profit forecast as pandemic sends shoppers online"

When I started to shop for my groceries online I skipped Ocado they were too expensive.
Iā€™m on a pension so I went for Iceland, Asda and Morrisons, I have an Asda shop coming next week.
I posted earlier all their slots were full so I that was the only one available.
People are doing more online shopping no doubt.

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yes but that doesnā€™t make it a bad investment, for example Ocado are selling their robot technology to Coles supermarkets in Australia and will come online in 2023, just think how many supermarkets in the world will be potential targets for the robot tech to move them online.

Iā€™m not sure what you mean, there is a lockdown and covid and some stocks will benefit from this in the short term, itā€™s obvious this will happen and not stupid or surprising.

@trader787 I get the feeling you skimmed the thread.
Itā€™s about the strange post earning drops of stay home stocks because Investors donā€™t believe that the earning would be what they are if it wasnā€™t for covid. So they talk about whether the earnings beat is sustainable.

ah ok, well as I mentioned earlier in the thread I believe stock prices are pretty much random so not surprised anything can happen, paypal just dropping now after hours for instance which seems like it would make no sense to many.

Just keep buying and ignore what the market does. This only applies if you bought objectively good companies.

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You seem to be ignoring that expected earnings results are often priced in before earnings are announced.

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