Best electric car charging companies?

Don’t want to barge in the topic, but this quote makes me wonder.

30% of World’s Manufacturing comes from China, With China exporting more than 35 billion $ worth of Car parts all around globe. Chinas Car production output equals around 28% of global output…

One could say that more than half of cars are “China” made… :beer:

Ps I invested in Nio as speculative position in my toddlers account.

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Nio rally was nothing to do with NKLA i don think, was because of the billion pound funding being upgrading and its sales its had

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Long on NIO here as well, surprisingly I’ve never even consider investing in Tesla which for many may be odd xD

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This might be a bit off topic but thanks y’all for nice suggestions. Haven’t even noticed said companies but I’ll be looking into NIO for sure​:+1::smile:

We will see. Personally I would not bank on Nio going up at all. Nikola just mooned today, Tesla is more valued than VW. Nio just isn’t cutting it for me.

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How isn’t nio cutting it lol? Just got a billion pound funding just like telsa off government and currently there selling way more Evs that telsa, no brainier

Nikola mooned off nothing, nio has fundamentals

@IsabellaBear, following your recommendation on another thread I have had a look into NIO and would like to understand why you believe it is a clear “buy” and believe that it will grow rapidly in the coming months.

On one hand, I agree that its vehicles and batteries look very good, cannot comment on the autonomous side as I have not been able to find alot of information on it. However, its finances are a completely different matter.

For example, from its 2019 annual report we can see that its liabilities (2.8 Billion USD) greatly exceed its assets (2.1 Billion USD), is this sustainable?
From a quick glance it seems complicated. In 2019 it made a loss of 1.6B USD, this is a particularly poor result as it means that the net loss is greater than the yearly revenues of 1.1 Billion USD (rounding up), so without even considering the gross profit margin the company would probably have to at least triple its revenue figures in 2020 (year on year) to be even close of covering a similar level of costs to thos incurred in 2019 (more likely something like multiply by 5 to have a fair chance).
In addition, it shows that its current assets of 700 Million USD would not even be able to cover half of this loss if the company achieved a similar loss in 2020. This is concerning as it leads to the underlying problem, will banks be willing to finance a company that has much more debt than assets? Is there any additional collateral available? If not, then a possible option is that Nio will have to raise a significant portion of equity, large number of new shares that will dilute existing shareholders. The alternative would be to face financial challenges, unless its sales grows like a rocket, which seems unlikely in the times of the Covid-19 global pandemic and possible increase to the unemployment levels worldwide, despite the appeal of electric vehicle to an everly-more concious world with regards to reducing CO2 emissions.

Another risk is obviously the China-USA trade war and the possible future fear of chinese companies that may rise in the western countries following this, the pandemics origins and the growing outroar for national production and workforce (Move to producing critical things at home and public votes like Brexit and Trump / MAGA). This can be solved by a large domestic Chinese demand that can bump their sales… Where are most of Nio’s sales currently from? China?

Also, how do its clothes and home offerings fit in with the electric vehicles/batteries side?

Having said this, I have bought 6 NIO Shares and depending on if there is a good solution to the risks I pose I may invest more, I am very keen on electric vehicles and batteries. I am willing to invest as long as there is a decent overall business case.

Does anyone have any thoughts on NIO and the points I am raising?

The recently issued Annual Report for 2019 can be found here:
Nio 2019 Financial Report
The balance sheet is on page 156 of 930 whilst the income statement is on page 158.

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I missed this @revelcsi1iicidem, I pretty much only looked at the company’s website and its last annual financial report (2019) for my preliminary analysis (summarised in my post above). What are the conditions of the loan? Is it from the chinese government?

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Yeah they did have to move hq but I think it wasn’t to much of a hassle, there smashing sales and they’ve had a very rough time, they was getting a billion pound funding before virus but didn’t go through, I think it was planned to wait so they can disguisedly mix it in, the price was about to moon last time they got news on funding

I’m not sure on conditions, I don’t think there was anything to hasty tho! I reckon it could be a telsa priced stock or half in a year

I’m not sure on conditions, I don’t think there was anything to hasty tho! I reckon it could be a telsa priced stock or half in a year

Here is some info:

https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/5/21274457/nio-q1-earnings-deliveries-chinese-government-investment-bailout

It could have been better. The commitment to research, develop and build in China may hinder its efforts in Europe and the USA, despits its existing offices. Nonetheless, it needs the money.

I know! I think sometimes they play it down, it’s money don’t forget there not going to come out and say we are going to smash it. They will always come out doubting in a way so they can cover themselves. But BIG point i take from this is if government invests they are NOT losing money. (Not saying allll the time but China ain’t stupid) I’m so bullish on this stock, I reckon could outpace Tesla in terms of sales etc, telsa in limelight cos America the world runners

@Spacebar have you requested Fastned on T212?

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Lets upvote people!

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I think I’ve said my main points… Look how it’s rocketed today (happy dance!)

I wouldn’t mind it behave same for many days xD

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More shares will be out there… Good sign.
Great Facebook group NIO Stock Discussion Investors.

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This is the video:
DongXi - Why is NIO Stock on Fire :rocket:? Is Volkswagen flirting with $NIO?

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Alfen is my favourite :+1:

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