This market is not based solely on fundamentals anymore. It is also based on rumors , news and hypes, one example is NIO. Even Apple, when they come out with a new product, the share price goes up immediately, although that product is not even sold yet.
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This is the picture that I donât think your getting, if the buyers are up and become sellers down the line for a profit what good were the fundamentals to the people that didnât buy?
If they bought last year and now theyâve sold then stuff the fundamentals
You can choose your entry point and you can choose your exit point so the price x and price y is extremely relevant, if there were never any buyers youâd be right but fortunately this is not the case
Your portfolio is based on the value of your shares. I guess you want your portfolio to grow, in order to do that, the stock prices of the shares you are holding need to go up, so it is relevant. In my case, I am happy if my Tesla shares are going up and not going down, I guess you too. And yes, there are plenty of companies to choose from, it doesnât have to be Tesla, there are also company that are now under $10 and have plenty of space to grow.
What you have explained here is what usually people refer to as short term noise.
Nothing unusual. Short term doesnât follow fundamentals, over long term is where fundamentals matter.
So we can expect tesla to fall to <$50 next year then it was good while it lasted 
Well if you consider long term, 1 year in future. Then I rest my case.
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Can you include some fundamentals into this for me?
How can you fundamentally value a company like Tesla? People think theyâll grow to 500B in revenue by 2030, some say 1T, some say 5T. The value of Tesla is all based on what people are projecting. So go ahead, put your 2030 projections of sales or profit and then put a multiple on it. If they 10X their revenue between now and then, thatâs 360B in Revenue, out at tech P/S on it of around 5+ then youâve gotten to around a $2T market cap. And I think thatâs pretty conservative from my estimates.
Again, it just depends on your future projections, thereâs no way in hell of correctly valuing the company, future growth projections go from extremely bearish to extremely bullish. Your decision is based on your projections as I say, thereâs no right or wrong. Just accept their other people see different outlooks for the company. I hope nobody is walking around saying Tesla is good value for what the profitability is right now
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Well you just proved my point.
This is all big speculation. Tsla has no proven record to validate current premium.
Thus I rather put my money in BABA or AMZN who have track record, have growth , have valuation significantly lower. Thus I am not in risk of near perfect future growth requirements in order to justify premium.
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Correct, some companies benefit from a lot of noise around their stock. Even Tesla, why do you think Elon is tweeting about it, and people follow. The stock price is moving up and down, based on rumors, noises. You probably know the saying: âBuy the rumor, sell the newsâ. I believe however, that Tesla has good fundamentals, as also Amazon has, or Apple, Microsoft (all in my portfolio, how about you ?). I consider long term at least 10 years, and I am keeping them I think until my pension.
CaseâŚrested. thank you im here all week 
The whole stock market is one big speculation, nobody knows exactly what should be the worth of a stock, not even professional tradersâŚ
Well some it seems believe they do.
The only negative I have with Tesla and more importantly Musk is that his Tesla stock always seems to rally around the same time space x has news, could this be marketing to gain cash surplus?
I completely agree with you, if you donât see the value in the company thatâs your outlook. My view is just different, and I donât need to convince you to make myself feel good about my opinion
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Yes, well I am checking on many annalists working for big finance firms, and one is giving an upgrade and the other a downgrade on the same stock on the same day, so it is a matter of opinionâŚ
I was referring to people on the forum not the âreal expertsâ 
@Enlil have you filled up that water pistol yet?
I see you typing
Ok, so now you know also that the real experts have different opinions, have the same stock 
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Well I ainât trying to act as expert. I have no clue about most businesses models, thus why would I use my judgement as base to what businesses might be worth or generate?
I prefer hard facts, balance sheet, cash flow, revenue, moat. Everything visible, I donât like guessing games, estimates in 10 years etc.
So there is no dislike towards tesla as brand or musk. I just donât see value there. Nothing to do with my personal feelings.
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China went from manufacturing socks to manufacturing semi-conductors and electric cars so I wouldnât risk saying they canât build anything decent. Theyâve done pretty well for themselves so far.
The only thing that could stop the rise of chinese electric cars is western protectionism but we all know itâs a double-edged swordâŚ
As for you buying the hype, itâs your right. Just donât pretend youâre being rational doing it. You are gambling, period. You might win or you might lose (I hope you win) but donât act like youâre managing the risk like a boss. Youâre managing nothing 